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sdemmy

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Shoot Out Template
« on: September 14, 2012, 10:30:15 AM »
Has anyone figured out a Tournament Template for a "Shootout" Tournament with out having to basically run it as 2 separate Tournys? 

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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2012, 10:44:47 AM »
Try this;
Create all your tables and one additional for our final table. Make all seats unavailable on this final table. As players are eliminated bust them then immediately delete their seat by right clicking on the seat and selecting Delete Seat. This will assure that TD does not suggest a table balance (all seats will be taken). Once you get down to your final table Select Clear on the Tables Tab and check the Make all seats available markes unavailable. Suggest Movement. This should move all players to your final table.
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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2012, 03:57:49 PM »
Pretty good idea thank you :), but it would be nice to have that tournament option more readily available on TD since it is one of the top tourny styles out there.  Any other ideas or actual templates out there? 

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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2012, 06:59:03 PM »
This method is probably the easiest. Magic or Stu or Corey should be able to confirm this. Most popular? Not in my neck of the woods. But game preferences change from region to region I guess.
I will keep my TD helmet on and try to think of another way to run a shootout in TD.
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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2012, 11:28:39 AM »
Thanks, I didnt say "most popular" just one of the top formats.  I have played these formats at casinos, and as satellite tournys.  Well I appreciate everyone's help.


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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2012, 05:46:33 PM »
So, in a shootout you simply don't move any players until only one player remains at each table, right?  Then you combine for the next round (or next part of the tournament, so to speak)?

If that's the case, just ignore player movement suggestions, or turn them off altogether.  Settings window -> Tables tab -> Settings -> Automatically suggest player movements

Or am I missing something?

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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2012, 08:45:13 PM »
I would probably suggest going as Corey suggested, and turn off the table balance. Would definitely prevent players from moving. But as far as anything being set up, it would be difficult to have a template per say, however, you could create a number of tables, and save it as a template ("shootout template"), and create your blind structure as needed ("shootout blinds") and so forth.
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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2012, 03:04:55 PM »
Thanks every one for your help, I will def play around with those ideas this week.   Corey just for future improvements or as an extra feature, this style of tournament is widely used for Satellites in Casinos and online, there are also a lot of home tournaments and charity tournaments that use the shootout format, maybe it would be good to work these kinda diff tourny styles or options into future updates?  Just a thought.

Thanks again, and still open for anyone else's input.

Scott

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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2012, 09:59:41 AM »
I think it's great idea, I just want to understand what it would mean for the software.

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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2013, 01:57:06 AM »
Try this;
Create all your tables and one additional for our final table. Make all seats unavailable on this final table. As players are eliminated bust them then immediately delete their seat by right clicking on the seat and selecting Delete Seat. This will assure that TD does not suggest a table balance (all seats will be taken). Once you get down to your final table Select Clear on the Tables Tab and check the Make all seats available markes unavailable. Suggest Movement. This should move all players to your final table.
jody
^^^ This a great idea for the logistical part of the tourney structure. Thanks.

...I am interested in taking the shootout format one step further and could really use some feedback please. Essentially, how would you setup the scoring system so that the points allocated are based on the rankings "within the respective table" as opposed to "in relation to the entire tournament"?

For example: Let's say there are 6 seats at each table, and the points awarded are as follows:
1st = 10 pts, 2nd = 7pts, 3rd = 5pts, 4th = 3 pts, 5th = 2 pts, and 6th = 1 pt (This scoring system is for each table, respectively.)

In theory, one table can be completed (ie: 1 player remains at this table) while another table can still have multiple players still live in the shootout tourney.  So, in the scenario of Table 1 with only 1 player remaining, this player would earn 10 pts and the rest of his/her tablemates would receive 7,5,3,2,1 points, respectively, based on their rankings within Table 1 only. ...The same scoring system would then apply to all other tables "separately" and does not take the "rankings across all tables" into consideration.

I hope the example above makes sense.  I'm trying to setup a Team Poker event (similar to the World Cup of Poker) and the Shootout format is a key component of this structure.

Thanking you in advance...and Happy New Year to all.
Al

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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2013, 02:09:07 AM »
Makes complete sense to me, I think. Essentially you want each table to act as if it were its own tournament, yet be one official tournament. Since TTD isn't able to do that (to my knowledge at least), I suggest that you append their table number to be their nickname if not being used, and show that as part of the name on your screens and award points manually. Only other option would be to make each table be its own tournament, but that would be a pain too...
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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2013, 09:57:59 PM »
Makes complete sense to me, I think. Essentially you want each table to act as if it were its own tournament, yet be one official tournament.


That's correct.

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...I suggest that you append their table number to be their nickname if not being used, and show that as part of the name on your screens and award points manually. ...

I think you and I are on the same train of thought.  As a test, I have used the "nickname" field to enter in the "Team Name" of some individuals.  Then, when I look at the Rankings or Seating Chart screens, I can clearly identify which players belong to which team. ...Now, if I can somehow get the scoring system to recognize these characteristics, that would be absolutely fantastic!

Perhaps in the points formula, if there is a way to distinguish each "table" and then use the internal variables (ie: rank, position, etc.) along with the "table" info, then we may be onto something.  Oh well, this is a work in progress but I am encouraged to know that someone (Magic_fubu) understands what I am trying to accomplish.  Thanks for your suggestions. -Al

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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2013, 11:44:07 PM »
I found this item (not sure if it's a variable or not) on the "Points for Playing Formula" screen:

"playersAtSameTable" -> the number of players sitting at the table with this player (including this player; if the player is sitting alone the value will be 1).

If the above is, indeed, a variable we can use with the points for playing formula, then perhaps there is a way to incorporate this into a Shootout format.  For example, let's say each table seats 6 players and the points (at each table) is 10,7,5,3,2,1, then the following (I will need help with this part, please) will be:

if playersAtSameTable = 1, then points = 10
if playersAtSameTable = 2, then points = 7
if playersAtSameTable = 3, then points = 5
if playersAtSameTable = 4, then points = 3
if playersAtSameTable = 5, then points = 2
if playersAtSameTable = 6, then points = 1

So, if the above is true, then the points awarded to each player will only take the individual's table into consideration (ie: a separate tourney/shootout format) and not the entire tournament rankings. I hope I'm on the right track. Thanks.

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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 12:14:38 AM »
When I test this formula (via formula results > test range) it does give me the results I am looking for.  I'm just not sure if this works across multiple tables.

switch(playersatsametable, 1, 10, 2, 7, 3, 5, 4, 3, 5, 2, 6, 1)

Does this work?

Thanks, Al

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Re: Shoot Out Template
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2013, 11:13:43 AM »
Just a note that playersAtSameTable represents the number of players at the same table as "this" player at this time ... meaning it will change if you move players around.

Not sure if that matters to what you guys are doing or are trying to do, but just wanted to be sure that was understood.