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Stuart Murray

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Participation Fee
« on: February 27, 2010, 09:20:02 AM »
Hi Corey,

I have an issue with the buy-in and per player rake.  Normal games I run and UK casinos run will be for example 100+10 so 100 straight to prize-pool and 10 participation charge.

Obviously at the moment the only way of doing this on TD is having the buy-in set to 110.  Can we either change the perplayerrake to a participation charge or add a participation charge to the game menu?

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Re: Participation Fee
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2010, 09:30:30 AM »
You can change the "name" of the rake, if that is what the issue is.  Go to the Preferences tab and edit the rake name.

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2010, 05:35:57 PM »
Hi Corey,

No the issue is the charge is a participation fee rather than a rake on the prizepool so for example i am showing:

Today's game is a 20 texas hold'em no limit

Registration Fee 2
Rebuys allowed : 1
Rebuy Period : 1hr
Addons : 0
Add-on period : 0m

To display this would mean only 18 going into the prizepool otherwise I would have to make the buy-in 22.

Can I have a way of having the Registration Fee kept seperate from the buy-in?

Regards and thanks for the usual quick response!

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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2010, 06:07:55 PM »
No, I'm afraid not.  But I guess I'm missing the point.  Where does this matter?  In what you are displaying to your players?  You can always "hard-code" the values into the layout, instead of using a layout token.  For example, if you have in your layout:

"Today's game is a <buyin> texas hold'em no limit"

You can just change <buyin> to 20, right?  I realize this is a little less convenient, but the structure of the buy-in has been in the software for years ... it would be rather painful to change at this point.  Although I agree that, in retrospect, I would rather have implemented the buyin (and add-ons and rebuys) as a collection of fees instead of a fee and a collection of rakes.

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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2010, 06:16:06 PM »
Yeh, hit the nail on the head.  It would be for keeping statistics separate, displaying to players the registration fee.

This would keep the reg fee totally separate from the actual buy-in and for example would not count reg fees in profit/loss calculations of prize money.

Yeh your correct I could just change the display to display 20 instead of <buyin> but then that means editing the display each time where I would rather the software allowed for keeping the financial amounts of buyins and registration fees separate.

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Re: Participation Fee
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2010, 03:57:30 PM »
This would keep the reg fee totally separate from the actual buy-in and for example would not count reg fees in profit/loss calculations of prize money.

This is actually a very good point.  I'll have to consider this.

I would think some users would only want to count money towards the pot (not including "registration fees") in their profit/loss statistics, and that others would want to include it all (since technically the player puts up the registration money as well as the buy-in).

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 04:28:38 PM »
This would keep the reg fee totally separate from the actual buy-in and for example would not count reg fees in profit/loss calculations of prize money.

This is actually a very good point.  I'll have to consider this.

I would think some users would only want to count money towards the pot (not including "registration fees") in their profit/loss statistics, and that others would want to include it all (since technically the player puts up the registration money as well as the buy-in).

i think this would work for my situation as well so +1 vote

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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2010, 05:18:46 PM »
+1 for me too - Looking to set up a $10+$1 tournament where the $1 goes towards prizes at the end of the season.
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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 06:31:40 PM »
+1 for me too - Looking to set up a $10+$1 tournament where the $1 goes towards prizes at the end of the season.

exactly the same in my case 3 to the league fund so would defo benefit from this 

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Re: Participation Fee
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2010, 07:27:18 AM »
I also found it confusing at first, and then annoying... I guess its just the way you look at it... ie we are looking at it like buyin plus rake and its currently looked at like total buyin minus rake... we are accustomed to looking at two separate numbers in any and all tournaments that we see online or in casinos and do our mental adding of the two

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Re: Participation Fee
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2010, 09:40:48 AM »
Yes, this is the common way to do it ($buyin + $fee), but you'll have to remember that the TD started out as a tool for my own tournaments.  I added Rakes at the request of a user.

The tough part now is, if I ultimately decide to change this, how to transition without breaking all those saved tournaments out there.  And there are a lot of dependencies (formulas, stats, exports, layout tokens, etc, etc, etc).

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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 06:15:44 PM »
Corey, I know I don't have as much experience as you do with programming, but if you were to implement a "tournament fee", and want to keep the integrity of earlier versions, would it be possible to have it look for a null entry for the previously created tournaments, and have it assume it to be zero?
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Re: Participation Fee
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2010, 06:16:09 PM »
Corey,

Looks like I've opened a can of worms - apologies!

Could you not keep the Rake and add a Registration Fee in addition, or is this going to create as many problems with the whole program?

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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2010, 09:05:12 PM »
Honestly I don't know.  It will require some thinking time, probably involving some bourbon.

It's definitely too big of a change to go into 2.6, but I will start mulling it over and try to determine just how big of a change it would be.

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Re: Participation Fee
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2010, 01:06:53 AM »
Well some bourbon with the job isn't too bad... But I digress... Thank you for all your hard work... Am sure you probably don't hear that enough, but I'm sure I speak for all when I say we definitely appreciate all your hard work!
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