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Title: Rebuy's
Post by: ScottBroker on March 05, 2006, 11:16:37 AM
Just thought I would see how others do their tournies.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: JohnnyD on March 05, 2006, 11:25:32 AM
We allow one rebuy per person within the first four rounds of the tourney  (1hr 20min), we do not have an add-on.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: ScottBroker on March 05, 2006, 11:29:37 AM
I just had a crazy 1 with unlimited rebuys for the 1st rounds ay half price, and an optional Add on.  rounds were 40 minutes.  Had 25 players, 37 rebuys, and 25 add ons ;D
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: Jarmy on March 05, 2006, 12:13:43 PM
We do one rebuy per person up until the final table.  This keeps a lot players from playing crazy and going all in with nothing hands because you really never know when the tables will combine (because it all depends if a player that's gets busted has used his rebuy option).  We usually run weekely tourneys with 15-20 people and this adds a little more to the prize pot.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: ScottBroker on March 05, 2006, 12:19:33 PM
Wow,

That is a neat idea ::)
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: MooseWizard on March 05, 2006, 08:19:22 PM
No option for no rebuys, no addons, which is how we do it.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: tandemrx on March 06, 2006, 10:03:07 AM
Kind of a goofy set up, but it is a couples tourney and I don't want somebody to have to go home after 15 minutes (and/or have to wait for their significant other to bust out).  It is T2000 buy-in.  We allow 1 rebuy (if busted) OR 1 add-on (if <T1000 chips).  Rebuy or add-on has to occur by finish of 4th round.

So, we have one rebuy - but it is a reduced rebuy for a reduced amount of chips -  T1500 for rebuy for 75% of the buy in cost.  This kinda-helps people being reckless because they won't be back to full stack.

Then, if you haven't busted out and have <T1000 you can add-on (if you didn't do a rebuy), but the add-on is only T1000 and is for 50% of buy-in price.  In effect, I try to allow all people to have near buy-in stack towards the end of 4th round. 

Doesn't always work well, sometimes people end up with a bit over T1000 near end of 4th round and get kind of reckless trying to either win a pot or fall less than T1000.

I am kind of preferring not to allow anyone to add-on who hasn't done a rebuy, because then everybody would and it would just prolong the tourney. 

It is kind of a friendly game, so I am trying to keep people in for about 1.5 hours, then finish up by about 2.5 - 3 hours so that spouses can go home together.

Still trying to refine this.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: lethargicdolt on March 16, 2006, 09:08:43 PM
No Rebuy, No Add-On....

$4400 in chips

Blinds on 15 minute increments until Round 6 or 8, then 10 minutes.....

25/50
50/75
75/150
150/300
300/500
500/1000
1000/2000
2000/4000
4000/8000
8000/16000

We have anywhere from 12-18 play and games last from 1:45 minutes to 2:20 minutes. We generally play two games in a night. So if you bust out early in first game, there will be a second game soon. Does push play pretty hard in the later rounds (better get some good cards). Works well for sticking to approximately 2 hour time limit. We do this instead of one big game (3-4 hours). Has gone over well with our group. Two chances to get in the money in a night as well.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: CanopicJar on March 16, 2006, 09:28:44 PM
no re-buy/no add-on
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: Rassal on March 16, 2006, 11:29:21 PM
Well... you didn't give out the choice... but we host here no-rebuy, and no add-on.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: TimDugan on March 20, 2006, 09:38:07 AM
Our group doesn't use add ons or rebuys either.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: Doctor_XXX on March 20, 2006, 06:53:16 PM
Not to beat a dead horse, but our group uses the "NO rebuys, NO addons" formula, also!
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: ScottBroker on March 20, 2006, 06:57:16 PM
You can do BOTH.  I alternate every other month.  This month is a $100 freezeout, next month is a $50 rebuy with a 25 add on and a 25 rebuy
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: MauiAces on March 25, 2006, 08:57:09 PM
We pattern ours after the Orleans Poker Room in Vegas:

Start with 300 in chips.
Allow unlimited rebuys if you have 300 or less in chips for the first hour.
Addon at the first break (4 - 15 minute rounds) as follows:
> 300 chips allow 1 add on
5 - 295 chips allow up to 2 add ons
just went bust on the very last hand before the break allow up to 3 addons
Buy-in, rebuys and addons all the same price - $20

works well - except that TD 2.0 defines the criteria for a rebuy as that a player busts out - it won't let you define your own rebuy terms so we just call it all 'add on'. :-\
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: Aluvial on April 28, 2006, 05:48:47 PM
I don't see an option for what we do.... 

We have a monthly tournament, T1500, with one re-buy in the first three rounds.  IF someone re-buys, then I allow add-ons, if and only if, you are under 1500 chips, and if you can buy chips in multiples of $5 dollar increments and not go over 1500 in chips.  This way, if someone re-buys (usually twice a tournament), then we allow everyone the option of adding on right then and there, if they qualify for chips at all.

For example, if we play for $25 buy-in and re-buy, your add-on of $5 gets you 300 in chips.  You can add-on as many chips in increments of 300, as long as you don't excede 1500.  This is set so that you can't buy more chips than a player who has re-bought, and so that you are at a disadvantage to a player who has re-bought.

Aluvial
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: $lick_ghost on July 24, 2006, 12:16:24 PM
Out Structure:

$20.00 buy-in T2000, max ONE rebuy ($20, T2000), *or* ONE Add-On (only @ the end of round 5 if you have less than 500 chips)


Blinds:

25/50
50/100
75/150

chip up 25s

100/200
200/400
300/600
400/800 - 100
500/1000 - 200
600/1200 - 300
800/1600 - 400

Chip up 100s

1000/2000 - 500
1500/3000 - 500
2000/4000 - 1000
2500/5000 - 1000

Approx. 20 people every week, game usually runs about 3.5 hours.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: Crimson on September 02, 2006, 01:55:19 AM
We also run No rebuys, No Add-ons. We used to do one of each. The problem is that we got a lot of people who went all-in at bad times to try and get more chips in a rebuy and it was annoying those who didn't rebuy. So we changed our tournament from $10 buy in to $15 and eliminated rebuys/add-ons to keep the pot relatively the same.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: URSHARKB8 on September 05, 2006, 10:41:44 AM
We do upto 10 add-ons and sometimes 1 re-buy
start at 2500
rounds 25-50 and double every 30 min.
i think the add-ons bring in almost another 60% more for the pot!!!!!
best thing we ever put in!!
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: hawklight on September 12, 2006, 05:40:54 AM
Ours is standard for in the UK

A 20 rebuy tourney - costs 20 to buy-in and you get 1000 chips

The rebuy period is 2 levels of 45 minutes (25 / 50 and 50 /100). During this 90 minutes a player can rebuy whenever they have less than (or equal) to half the tourney's starting stack. In our case they get 1000 to start so anytime their stack is 500 or less they can rebuy. Rebuy's cost 20 and they get another 1000 chips.

At the end of the rebuy period the tourney is paused and anyone can add-on once (regardless of chip stack size) and it costs 20 and gives them a 2000 chip add-on. Should someone though, at that point, have 500 or less they can do a rebuy and an add-on (will cost 40 and they will get 3000 chips). we then have a 10 minute break and resume the tourney at with level 3 (100 / 200) - this level onwards is 15 minutes per level.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: johnhend on September 26, 2006, 01:25:12 AM
need an option for none/none...

we tried re-buys once, pre-TD, and it didn't go well, so there is a general consensus right now to disallow re-buys/add-ons.  However, with the advent of TD, we've been discussing add-ons.   We start out with $1,550 in chips (it fits nicely into the case that way - 17 chips per stack), and buy in for $20.  As we're still trying to discourage re-buys/reckless play/etc., but we don't want anyone to have to leave too early, I was thinking of charging $7 for 500 in chips ($21 for 1,500, which is a slight penalty from the original buy-in of $20 for 1,550). 

Is there some sort of etiquette violation there?  Should I be charging an amount that gives you a full chip-set $ for $?  Just curious about anyone else's thoughts on this.

The only other complication is that we have a bounty pot.  With re-buys, we charged to add to the bounty pot, with add-ons, I don't think I would. 

Thanks!

JH
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: macacan on September 26, 2006, 07:48:10 AM
We have max 3 re-buys per person upto round 4
this is about halfway through tournament.
But we have a points system, and it is -5 pts per re-buy.

Check our rules out at

http://www.chorleypokerleague.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: johnhend on September 26, 2006, 10:06:02 PM
We're going to start a points system next month for the first time (thanks in no small part to the success and popularity of TD), and I like the idea of deducting points for rebuys! 
Thanks for the feedback!
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: Poker Dad on October 28, 2006, 03:33:38 PM
You did not allow for NO rebuys or NO addons.  That is how we run our Tournaments.  Most everyone in the Tuesday Night Poker Club feels why should you play great and take someone out only to have them come back latter and take you out after there are no rebuys left.

Michael
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: hawklight on October 29, 2006, 05:28:37 AM
Because in a rebuy, playing great isn't enough during the rebuy period - most people (especially good players) use the rebuy period to gamble a lot more with a view to ammassing chips - as such your play should adjust to that or at least take it into account.

Once it becomes a freezeout - generally those that continue playing as they did in the rebuy period will not last very long. However, 'cos its poker, things don't always go to plan. It's just as possible for someone to play crappily during the rebuys but get lucky and then get busted out by a good play after the rebuys were done. Works both ways.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: macacan on October 29, 2006, 10:34:27 AM
Both tournaments, with re-buys and without re-buys are great to play in. and yes players play differently, depending on re-buys.
The main reason we use them is to keep people in.
Our buy in fee is small and the re-buys are small, the main thing is that people enjoy a good night of poker and a few beers, sometimes people
can't afford to re-buy, thats fine, but people entering know exactly the most they can lose.
We don't want people busted out in the first hour or two, everybody knows you can get drawn into big pots and end up all in and lose.
All the players like the structure we use, after the main tournament we have 1 or 2 turbo's with a small entry fee and no re-buys or add ons,
they like these as well.
I think if you are playing in tournaments to win money then no re-buys or add ons is the best but if you are
playing for the fun of playing, with little cost but still having the chance of winning some money then re-buys are the best.
Also there is a few people that attend our tournaments that are new to the game, so re-buys gives them a better chance.

 http://www.chorleypokerleague.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: Chooch on November 03, 2006, 01:36:31 PM
Most of the our NLH tournaments are no rebuy and no add on. But I do have a couple of year that are rebuy within the first hour and add ons after the first hour, but you can only add on if you didn't rebuy. The last rebuy/add on we had 27 players and it lasted almost five hours. So the next one I will be adding an ante at the start of level 10.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: gadzooks64 on January 02, 2007, 10:37:54 AM
We allow one rebuy per person within the first four rounds of the tourney  (1hr 20min), we do not have an add-on.
Do you play in my home game!?!?!?! 

That's exactly what we do.

2K in starting chips. 20 min levels. 

25/50
50/100
100/200
200/400
5000/1000
1000/2000

With 10-16 players it takes about 2-2.5 hours.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: Beaverton_TD on January 02, 2007, 08:53:58 PM
We have a group of 10 - 20 players that get together a couple of times a month.  Each night we usually play two to four games lasting between 1.5 and 2 hours.  We have only allowed rebuys one time in the last two years and only one player used the option. 

The original buy-in was $10 for $1000 in chips.  After going all-in within 5 minutes of the tournament starting the player busted out.  Since we hadn't offered rebuys in the past, we took a quick poll of the players and allowed him to rebuy for $15 for another $1000 in chips.  These lasted him another 15 minutes and he was busted again.  Of course he wanted back in, this time we agreed to charge $20, these lasted one hand and he was out again.  That was it. No more rebuys!!!  The winner of that event thanked him for the addition $40 in the pot.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: brenner on January 04, 2007, 10:49:33 AM
During our first season, there was a very strong sentiment against NO Rebuys.  Since we only play once/month, it was pretty harsh if someone caught a bad beat in the first round and either went home or had to sit around and watch while their "ride" continued to play.

For our second season we added 1 Rebuy and Add-ons.  At first players were concerned that it would be an all-in fest.  But when they saw how much the Pot increased, they put their concerns aside.  Play really didn't change all that much.  So much so that most of the players have asked for unlimited Rebuys for the first hour.  We do full rebuys (you have to Buy-In again).  So popping for more than 2 of these can be quite costly.  Most people won't.

Rebuys and Add-ons are a GREAT way to get more money in your pot without rasising the buy-in (which is the only other way to get more money in the pot besides getting more players).  I have found that most players don't mind spending a lot if it is in segments (so much before the tourney, so much during and so much at the break).

This year we also added bounty chips.  Just another way for players to win some money (plus it is a extra slice for the Championship Game contribution).
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: Phaze on January 29, 2007, 08:27:19 PM
Good info on this thread

We have $10 buy-in for 2500 in chips
we allow 2 rebuys in first hour but only if you have 0 chips $5 for 1000
we have one add on after first hour for $5 for 1000 chips
we have three blind raises per hour and a break at the end of the three blinds
our tournaments usually last 5 - 7 hours and we have between 12 and 20 people


Most of our players are fairly decent so you see very little rebuys usually. I'm not a big fan of add ons but it does add money to the pot so I don't raise a fuss about it. Most of the players do put the add on in. We have a rule that you can't combine a rebuy and an add on, meaning on the last hand before break, you can't go all in, lose, get a rebuy and an add on together.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: no_hoper on February 06, 2007, 01:05:03 PM

If you're playing a doubles tournament (which we do every now and then) you might want to think about running the first 4 or 6 levels as a limit game.  This gives both partners a chance to play some poker without the risk of getting knocked out (unless of course both play too fast and loose).  Then switch to no-limit for the remaining rounds.


Kind of a goofy set up, but it is a couples tourney and I don't want somebody to have to go home after 15 minutes (and/or have to wait for their significant other to bust out).  It is T2000 buy-in.  We allow 1 rebuy (if busted) OR 1 add-on (if <T1000 chips).  Rebuy or add-on has to occur by finish of 4th round.

So, we have one rebuy - but it is a reduced rebuy for a reduced amount of chips -  T1500 for rebuy for 75% of the buy in cost.  This kinda-helps people being reckless because they won't be back to full stack.

Then, if you haven't busted out and have <T1000 you can add-on (if you didn't do a rebuy), but the add-on is only T1000 and is for 50% of buy-in price.  In effect, I try to allow all people to have near buy-in stack towards the end of 4th round. 

Doesn't always work well, sometimes people end up with a bit over T1000 near end of 4th round and get kind of reckless trying to either win a pot or fall less than T1000.

I am kind of preferring not to allow anyone to add-on who hasn't done a rebuy, because then everybody would and it would just prolong the tourney. 

It is kind of a friendly game, so I am trying to keep people in for about 1.5 hours, then finish up by about 2.5 - 3 hours so that spouses can go home together.

Still trying to refine this.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: macacan on February 06, 2007, 01:39:15 PM
I recently played on a table with add-ons, I saw it as a waste of time.
The interval came and understandably the short stacked players added on,
then it was like domino rally, ended up everybody added on.
What a waste of time why not double the entrance fee and double the chips.
Re-buys I can live with but not add ons.
I think you have to be carefull with re buys, a player entering a tournament
will look at the most that he could loose, that being the entrance plus the re buys.
In some cases that amount might be to much for some people, then it starts
to make the players with the most money the favorites, I think one reason why poker
has grown so big over here in the UK is that once your at the table with your chips, you are
on a equal footing with everybody else.
Three card brag was very popular over here, but in most cases the one with the most money usually won.

http://www.chorleypokerleague.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: tandemrx on February 06, 2007, 02:02:50 PM
Using this single re-buy OR single add-on system has now worked quite well over the span of many couples type social tourneys.

Remember, I don't allow an add-on unless you have less than T1000 in chips (starting stack is T2000).  Well, now I have actually changed it to not allow an add-on unless you have less than T1250 chips.

So, there are actually very few people who end up taking advantage of the add-on.  Players understand that they can get more chips if they go all-in and have to rebuy, so people with low chip stacks don't ever add-on until the end of the 4th round.  Anyone with very low chips stacks is just going to risk all his/her chips towards the end of the rebuy period rather than do an add-on.

So there are 3 sets of players towards the end of the rebuy period;

1.  Those with >1250 chips (can't rebuy, can't add-on)
2.  Those hovering around 1000- 1250 chips, usually try to either hang on or maybe fall just below 1250 before the rebuy period - not always easy to accomplish.  This group doesn't want to get reckless towards the end of the rebuy period, because if they go all, in they will have to pay again, just to get back to the same place.
3.  Those with say 750 chips and below, who will play a bit more aggressive, or go all-in if chips stack dwindles further.  Again, they might not be super aggressive with 750 chips, because they could just add-on and end up with 1750, rather than pay a larger amount and rebuy to get to 1500 chips.

So, while I only have 4 tourneys loaded on this computer that I am sitting at, I think it is representative of some 20 tourneys of between 11-20 people per tourney (mostly around 18).  In these 4 tourneys there are only an average of 3 rebuys and 2 add-ons per tourney.

But again, my intention with my structure and the rebuy add-on system is to keep most people in the tourney for at least 2 hours and then to finish up by about 4 hours since they are mostly tourneys with couples and I don't want one of the spouses to have to hang around forever waiting for their spouse and not playing.

I am getting to be pretty happy with how it is working out since it almost always works out that no one totally busts out during the first 2-2.5 hours and the tourneys are lasting 4-5 hours.

Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: PPPanimal on February 15, 2007, 01:33:13 AM
We run
limit for 2 hours,  (so no one goes home early due to a bad beat)
no-limit 2 hours +.
no rebuys or addons.

works great, all players last atleast 2 hours and the games last 3.5 - 4.5 hours.

2000 in chips, low blinds 5-10, and raise them every 20 mins.

Round 1 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $5 $10 $10 $20 $0 0:00 
Round 2 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $10 $20 $20 $40 $0 0:20 
Round 3 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $15 $30 $30 $60 $0 0:40 
Round 4 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $20 $40 $40 $80 $0 1:00 
Break 1 15m        1:20 Chip up
Round 5 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $25 $50 $50 $100 $0 1:35 
Round 6 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $50 $100 $100 $200 $0 1:55 
Round 7 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $75 $150 $150 $300 $0 2:15 
Break 2 15m        2:35 
Round 8 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $100 $200 $200 $400 $0 2:50 
Round 9 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $150 $300 $300 $600 $0 3:10 
Round 10 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $200 $400 $400 $800 $0 3:30 
Break 3 15m        3:50 
Round 11 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $300 $600 $600 $1,200 $0 4:05 
Round 12 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $400 $800 $800 $1,600 $0 4:25 
Round 13 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $500 $1,000 $1,000 $2,000 $0 4:45 
Break 4 15m        5:05 
Round 14 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $600 $1,200 $1,200 $2,400 $0 5:20 
Round 15 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $800 $1,600 $1,600 $3,200 $0 5:40 
Round 16 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $1,000 $2,000 $2,000 $4,000 $0 6:00 
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: mdsd77 on February 26, 2007, 04:45:54 PM
We run
limit for 2 hours,  (so no one goes home early due to a bad beat)
no-limit 2 hours +.
no rebuys or addons.

works great, all players last atleast 2 hours and the games last 3.5 - 4.5 hours.

2000 in chips, low blinds 5-10, and raise them every 20 mins.

Round 1 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $5 $10 $10 $20 $0 0:00 
Round 2 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $10 $20 $20 $40 $0 0:20 
Round 3 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $15 $30 $30 $60 $0 0:40 
Round 4 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $20 $40 $40 $80 $0 1:00 
Break 1 15m        1:20 Chip up
Round 5 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $25 $50 $50 $100 $0 1:35 
Round 6 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $50 $100 $100 $200 $0 1:55 
Round 7 20m Limit Texas Hold 'Em $75 $150 $150 $300 $0 2:15 
Break 2 15m        2:35 
Round 8 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $100 $200 $200 $400 $0 2:50 
Round 9 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $150 $300 $300 $600 $0 3:10 
Round 10 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $200 $400 $400 $800 $0 3:30 
Break 3 15m        3:50 
Round 11 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $300 $600 $600 $1,200 $0 4:05 
Round 12 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $400 $800 $800 $1,600 $0 4:25 
Round 13 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $500 $1,000 $1,000 $2,000 $0 4:45 
Break 4 15m        5:05 
Round 14 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $600 $1,200 $1,200 $2,400 $0 5:20 
Round 15 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $800 $1,600 $1,600 $3,200 $0 5:40 
Round 16 20m No Limit Texas Hold 'Em $1,000 $2,000 $2,000 $4,000 $0 6:00 

hey i like this set up, tell me more, what is the break down you are showing...I am sorry I am new to this, say on round 1 you show
5,10 then 10, 20, what is that 10, 20  thing?



Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: PPPanimal on February 26, 2007, 08:49:29 PM
the 5 - 10 are the Blinds, the 10 - 20 part is the Min bet entered in the stakes area of the rounds setup.

Some of the players we have are new to the game and keep asking what they can bet and when.
So on my main screen it shows the blinds  5 for small, 10 for big and then below that it shows the Min bet for the Flop (10) and then the Min bet after the turn card is out (20).  I also changed it from saying Stakes to saying BETS so they understand it better.

Here is my main screen.
If you have any questions, fire away.  I would be glad to help.

Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: AllinCT on June 24, 2007, 08:12:18 AM
One rebuy that can be done anytime.
Title: Re: Rebuy's
Post by: macacan on October 24, 2007, 01:43:34 AM
We have now changed ours.

1 week 20 freeze out the next week 5 buy in with max 2 rebuys @ 5 or a top up at the interval.