Corey, I'm still having the problem with the TD crashing with the same reference to the Internet Explore need to close and shutting down the program, I reinstalled internet explorer and updated to the newer version of TD as you suggested and it seemed to be running fine but last night during a tournament it crashed losing all information, before it seemed to only happen when I started a tournament after assigning tables but before hitting tournament start, it happens so randomly, but again four or five times over the last 3 months. there's no way to recreate it, it only does it when it wants to, also one other thing encountered when going to data base everytime now, before being able to access say the players not in a league I get a message about sub script and do I want to abandon operation if I say yes it won't perform any functions if I tell it no it allows me to continue, could this be related to the internet explorer crashing problem.